I get that ego and identities need to feel right in order to secure themselves.

And if I were to let go of being right from that righteous point of view, which is like a right

that defends itself, what's underneath that is a lot more vulnerability. And if you're not

comfortable with that, then the identity is going to secure itself all back up again. And you're

going to get back into, I'm right that this is the right way and that's the wrong way. And I'm

right to be more like this and not like this. And just we all get secured up again in these

defense mechanisms to protect this deep, deep vulnerability that comes under, what if I don't know?

So people don't like to sit in, I don't know.

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Diana is the co-founder of the Conscious Leadership Group and co-author of the 15 commitments of

Conscious Leadership. We got connected through one of our most popular podcast guests, Jim Dethmer.

Diana is an incredible signal in a world full of noise. In this episode we explore the three

flavors of the drama triangle, victim villain and hero, and how they all come from our desire to be

right. Making the invisible visible is a key step toward learning and improving your situation,

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