Today we can talk about how in an unequal world we can find a fair solution to climate change. Hello and welcome to outrage and optimism. I'm Paul Dickensen.

This week we talk about the issue of fairness in climate change.

How do we determine whose responsibility it is to take action to solve this issue?

And how can we come together to make progress in a way that feels fair for everyone?

Plus, we talk to Angel Gudier, Secretary General of the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development,

OECD. Thanks for being here. So today we're going to talk about what's fair. We know when it comes to climate change that we need to reduce our emissions by half

in the next 10 years and we need to get them to zero, 20 years after that.

Science is extremely clear about that for us to have a chance at keeping to 1.5

degrees and not experiencing all the very, very many negative impacts that come with

getting even to 2 degrees. But the question for humanity is how do we collectively deal with that? And of course

the Paris Agreement was part of it. But should those countries with more money and resources

do more? Would it be fair for the emerging economies that now have many more

emissions from things like coal to actually step up and do more? That's the

issue and it's a huge issue that we're going to try and get our arms around today.

Well, you know, Tom, you said we have to reduce our emissions.

We have to start by defining who's our?

Who are we talking about?

Humanity. Humanity. Humanity. Who are we talking about humanity humanity the emissions that come from the human presence on this planet?

Okay, wonderful? defined we're all equal but some of us are much more equal than others.

Voila, the problem.

Right, exactly.

That's the problem.

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