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Well, Lisa Butterworth, welcome to Mormon Stories Podcast.

Thank you.

Now, I went back and looked in my archives.

The first time I contacted you about doing an interview, believe it or not, was in 2005.

So not only were you one of the first people I ever thought to interview, but it's taken us like five or six years to actually do this.

What's up with that?

I'm very difficult.

And extremely flaky.

I doubt that, but I'm just so glad I'm so glad you could come on.

So thanks again.

Thanks for having me.

I wanted to do it from the very first site.

I just, you know, it was always like, well, when my, won't my kids be around and they're always around.

Yeah, well, you're carrying a lot.

So well, let's start.

I love to hear as much as you're comfortable talking about your, your young years growing up in the church.

You know, all the stuff that would lead to, but not including your decision to start your blog.

So tell us about you.

Okay.

Well, I grew up in a small southern, very Mormon town.

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