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So remember, we're still with Ben from Chicago.

Oh, you thought I was going to forget it, but I didn't forget. I was about to go there.

You gave out the number. I just wanted to be double sure. Yes. All right, so Ben from Chicago was asking about,

first of all, I want to remind people what Ben said. Joe has been helpful to Ben in coming closer to the possibility

of entering the Catholic Church. But Ben's like, okay, there's infallible teachings of the Catholic

Church, but, and I don't think these are the exact words he use, there ain't no list of the

infallible teachings. Is that about right, Ben?

Yes. All right, Joe? What do we do? Yeah, so there's two things. One of the ways that there's a difficulty with that is trying

to imagine it in list form. And I think that it's of the nature that would actually be very

difficult to create a list of everything

we know infallibly, not because of like any laziness within the church or even about an

ambiguity, but simply because of the nature of teaching. Like if I said, what are all of the

things we know from the sermon on the mount? The number of things you could draw out from that is sure doctrinal conclusions

would be pretty daunting.

So we can point to specific things and say the level at which they are held at.

But in terms of just a list, an exhaustive list of everything we, you know, every infallible teaching, there's plenty of things that we know by extension beyond just the things that are directly said.

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