Today's episode pissed a lot of people off. Like most of my Saturday

episodes it was originally part of the Sean Atwood show which is four hours in

total and you can find the rest of it long episode lots of guests on

the Sean Atwood True Crime Podcast and I got to interview Andrew Bustamante the

everyday spy Andrew is an ex-C-I-A covert intel officer who can't talk too much about his work

except to say that he was involved in drug-related cartel-related stuff in Central America.

His website, The Everyday Spy, has a quiz

to see if you could be a spy.

He talks about that in the episode,

but go to Everyday Spy.

dot com slash quiz to take it for yourself. The point is that

spies aren't what you expect them to be. They're just normal people to an extent.

Where this episode pissed off a lot of Sean's subscribers in the comment and

chat sections when it was live streamed was Andrew Bustamante's views on Julian Assange and Secrets. It was fascinating for me as you all

know I'm writing a book about the psychology of Secrets so I'm really intrigued by

his views and Andrew's view typical of spy, is that the government sometimes has to keep some secrets from us for our own good,

and that Julian Assange is culpable for having hacked government secrets for WikiLeaks, which Andrew claims has led to problems

for spies trying to do their jobs.

As Sean's listeners are, to an extent, truth seekers, and I think they lean a little to the right they are very much against government

power and shadiness and stuff like that they were up in arms in the chat at least a lot of them were

I don't know what I think about it but Andrew's point is that if we as a society were more concerned about the

secrets being kept by government we'd vote with our feet and make it a point of policy, but we don't, we don't really

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