They look out for the young kids, okay, who's from a broken home?

Who's got hate? Who can we find?

And once you're in and you start committing murder and something, you know, talk about

they make them practice like cutting up bodies, make them child soldiers.

Today we'll be venturing into the heartlands of the drug wars in Mexico and the rest of Latin America

through the experienced intrepid eyes of

Joanne Grillo. A guest on Joe Rogan has made quite a name for himself as a

courageous journalist investigating crime and drugs.

Some of the things he's seen and reported on from decapitated bodies to crazed shootouts

are enough to send most of us mad and have been documented in Joanne's books,

El Narko, gangster warlords and blood gun money.

In this trilogy of Narko investigations he profiles some of the nutiest mob bosses and the

scariest ones too.

He looks into the rise of Mexican drug cartels and exposes how America arms gangs and cartels.

Always getting involved, isn't it?

He's great to chat to we bond over our shared experiences of living in Latin America

although my own time there featured no drug cartels or

dead bodies as far as I'm allowed to tell you. We talk today about what it is actually

like meeting the real iterations of the bad guys in Breaking Bad or Scarface,

we talk about the madness of El Chappo who broke out of prison and did all sorts of dastardly deeds,

and we delve into the moral and practical difficulties.

Journalists have to navigate in their relationships with the cartels.

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