I always led by example. I was just the hard worker. I'm the first one in, last one out,

the hard worker, hard worker, work harder, work harder. And at some point you're like, I'm on a hamster wheel here.

That's Jan Dills, founder of Jan Dill's attorneys at law, the largest female founded law firm in the country.

It took years to get this done because things change.

As you scale, processes change as fast, so you have to keep changing, changing.

But it was a start and that really the key was getting the foundation and the core and who we

are and then building from there.

I'm Michael Mogul, founder and CEO of Crisp, the nation's number one law from growth company.

I've built my business through practice, not theory.

Crisp started with just $500 to my name and has grown to over eight figures in revenue over the last few years,

earning a spot on the Inc 500 list of the fastest growing private companies in America.

Our approach has been to take everything we've learned about generating massive growth within our own organization

and help the country's most ambitious and committed law firm owners do the same for theirs.

In each episode of this podcast, I sit down with innovative market leaders from the legal industry and beyond

to learn from those who thrive in the face of adversity, challenge the

status quo, and define what it means to be a true game changer. I sat down with Jan Dills to discuss

the origin and evolution of our iconic jingle, how to transform criticism into fuel for growth,

and how to scale your impact and leave a lasting legacy. You always have to think about making

sure that your clients are taken care of and your team's taken care of.

And now that all I want to do is develop my team and so that we have great quality representation.

But also having my team be very comfortable who they are in developing them.

So to me now it's more about legacy. That's coming up

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