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Welcome to Skeptical Sunday. I'm your host, Jordan Harbinger. Today I'm here with Skeptical Sunday co-host writer and researcher, Jessica, and we are not in a bad mood because of tech issues today, Jessica. We are not. No, I love technology.

On the Jordan Harbinger show, we decode the stories, secrets, and skills of the world's most fascinating people and whatever, and turn

their wisdom into practical advice you can use to impact your own life and those around you.

Our mission is to help you become a better, informed, more critical thinker without throwing

my computer through the fucking window. During the week, we have long-form conversations with a

variety of amazing folks from spies to CEOs, athletes, authors, thinkers, and performers. On Sundays, though, it's Skeptical Sunday, where a rotating guest co-host and I break down a topic you may have never thought about and debunk common misconceptions about that topic. Topics like circumcision, e-commerce scams, diet supplements, ear-candling, self-help cults, and more. And if you're new to the show or you want to tell your friends about the show, I suggest our episode starter packs. These are collections of our favorite episodes on persuasion, negotiation, psychology, disinformation, junk science, crime and cults, and more. That'll help new listeners get a taste of everything we do here on the show. just visit jordanharbinger.com slash start or search

for us in your Spotify app to get started. Today we're talking about organ donation. It's

life-saving, it's complicated, and occasionally it sounds like an episode of Black Mirror. And I know

what you're thinking, oh, this is going to be depressing. But hang on, it is going to be depressing,

but it's also going to be

fascinating, weird, and a little gross. So, you know, perfect podcast material. But here's the

bigger question. How far does our responsibility to other people really go? Digging into the

science, the myths, and the ethics of organ donation is writer and researcher Jessica Wynn. So set the scene for us, Jess, how many people are waiting for an organ right now?

Because basically, whenever I hear the number, it's always like a lottery jackpot.

It's just a huge number.

It's more than we want to think.

Over 100,000 people in the United States alone are on the transplant waiting list. Every eight minutes,

a new name gets added. In 2024, we did about 50,000 transplants total in the United States,

so that's roughly like 130 transplants a day. That's actually really impressive, how many

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