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Emotionally Uncomfortable

1253: Marketing Your Business Without Abandoning Yourself or Wasting Money With Jess Shirra

Emotionally Uncomfortable

Hosted by Heather Chauvin | Insights inspired by Mel Robbins, Bréne Brown, Danielle Laporte, Elizab

Mental Health, Health & Fitness, Business, Entrepreneurship

4.6576 Ratings

🗓️ 25 February 2026

⏱️ 66 minutes

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Summary

"Marketing is required in any business, and the marketing landscape is constantly changing. You have to evolve with it."

In this episode, Heather and Jess Shirra break down what it actually looks like to evolve with the marketing landscape without burning yourself out or throwing money at strategies that don't move the needle in your unique business. This is a real conversation about the identity shift that comes with hiring a team, the weight of holding the bigger pieces alone, and why bringing in the right marketing leadership at the right time can change everything. If you've ever felt the pressure to "figure it out" yourself, questioned your strategy, or wondered whether you're investing in the right things, this episode will challenge how you think about growth, support, and building a business that honors your lifestyle, not just your revenue goals.

What to listen for:

✨ The identity shift and initiation that come with hiring a team for your business
✨ How the heaviness of holding the bigger pieces can negatively impact your work
✨ Understanding the right hiring order for team members, and finding their best role

"The CMO role is almost like having insurance for your marketing budget and marketing efforts. Someone inside your business is making sure you're not wasting money, spending too much, or focusing on the wrong thing,s and that every single little bit of energy, effort, revenue, like budget is being directed towards the most needle-moving things."

✨ Hiring a Chief Marketing Officer who honors your lifestyle and goals
✨ Why you need a marketing strategy and a dedicated lead-generation funnel
✨ The importance of asking for support in advance so you don't expect instant ROI

"If you have a strong CMO, what that person will do is hear your ideas and then think about that in the bigger picture of where we're going, and this thing actually does make sense, or it's going to actually make that other thing faster or better."

✨ The importance of having a solid marketing strategy in place, even if you're new
✨ Building self-trust and navigating the lack of ethics in online marketing
✨ Understanding there's no one right way to market a business

About Jess Shirra:

Jess Shirra is a Fractional CMO and the founder of The CMO Office, where she partners with 7- and 8-figure creators and brands to bring them the clarity, direction, and leadership they've been missing in their marketing. 

Over her 15-year career, she's led marketing for global brands like Lululemon, Pottery Barn, Strava, and Deloitte, and has supported top creators including Jenna Kutcher, Lori Harder, and Vanessa and Xander Marin. Jess' superpower is her ability to cut through the noise and help founders understand what their businesses truly need to grow.

Connect with Jess:

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For those of you who are ready to stop feeling drained, overextended, and out of alignment… join me for a one-on-one Time & Energy Audit, a focused session designed to help high-achieving women uncover what's draining them, clarify what truly matters, and create a simple plan that fits their life.

We'll pinpoint your biggest time + energy leaks, identify the top areas to focus on for quick momentum, and map out exactly what to let go of so you can reclaim your energy, your time, and your joy.

Ready to make your time work for you without adding more to your plate?

Book a Time & Energy Audit: https://heatherchauvin.com/audit

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Transcript

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0:00.0

I really think when it comes to business and marketing, there's not one right way. You can look and you can

0:06.2

see proof points of every single thing working, but what people don't share because they want to make

0:11.1

money is they'll say, buy my whatever, my proven model, blah, blah. And what they're not sharing

0:17.1

is the journey that they took to get there. And so people will invest in a system or a

0:22.3

framework or a program or a coach because they think that they've been sold and convinced

0:26.9

that that's the right way. But then they get into it and they're disappointed because only like

0:31.3

0.1% of people will get results like that person because not everyone's business model or

0:36.6

lifestyle or energy or, you know,

0:39.4

makeup matches this person.

0:50.7

Okay, before we dive into today's episode, I want you to understand that I am interviewing

0:58.4

somebody who is a marketing expert. And not everyone that listens to my podcast is a business

1:06.6

owner. I attract a lot of ambitious women, whether you are in corporate, whether you are self-employed,

1:14.1

or whether you're just like this concoction in between. Maybe you're in transition. Maybe you are,

1:20.4

quote, unquote, stay at home. And I'm using air quotes because you're a domestic goddess

1:26.2

engineer. I think the labels don't work anymore.

1:30.0

We wear many, many hats. So that's the first thing I want to say is let's just take the labels off.

1:35.4

But I want you to listen to this conversation if you have ever had to hire somebody. And this could be like

1:41.9

hiring a healthcare professional, a doctor, a pediatrician, which everybody has hired somebody. And this could be like hiring a health care professional, a doctor, a pediatrician,

1:45.2

which everybody has hired somebody. And I encourage you to listen to this conversation if you don't

1:51.9

think you're good at something. The reason why is because marketing was something that I

1:59.1

never wanted to learn. And so much of this conversation, and we get into the

2:06.5

marketing thing, we also get into like the visionary versus the marketer. I would be considered

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