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Today on the show we're talking with Dr. Eric

Cole, cybersecurity expert, former CIA, something or other, and a guy who probably looks at

my phone the way a cardiologist looks at a bacon cheeseburger. We're getting into the stuff that

doesn't make the news because apparently a Kardashian wearing a hat is more urgent than foreign

adversaries chilling inside of our power grid like it's an Airbnb.

We'll explore why a cyber 9-11 is not a Tom Clancy fever dream, how the systems running our critical infrastructure are basically secured with the digital equivalent of password one, two,

three, and we'll discuss why TikTok might be the most effective psychological warfare tool

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