This is Molly Hemingway of the Federalist.

Join me, my husband Mark of Real Clear Investigations,

Kyle Mann of the Babylon B, San Francisco Archbishop,

Salvatore Cordoleoni, Lutheran Church Missouri Synod President Matt Harrison,

and others for the 2023 Making the Case Conference.

Friday, June 16th and Saturday, June 17th at Concordia University, Chicago.

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There's definitely a contrast between the Trump presidency,

where it was almost daily, sometimes knock down drag out with press.

The president in there, skin in the game,

making comments, making news, tweeting,

and addressing the press directly.

And what we find in the Biden administration,

very quiet, quiet White House,

but also a White House that doesn't deal with the press

as much as it possibly can.

Welcome back to Issuesetc.org, I'm Todd Wilkin.

Joining us to talk about the current state of journalism

and covering the Trump White House,

Deb Saunders, she's a syndicated columnist,

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