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a lot of crazy tales here on the show. Great conversation so far. So let's keep it going.

Here's part two with Chris Whitcomb. Tell me about East Timor, because you start this security

company, not contractor. Yeah, but you start this security company, not contractor.

Yeah, but you start the security company, but it sounds kind of like the Wild West meets Mafia extortion racket meets like typical Africa, except it's not in Africa, kind of stuff.

This place sounds like it's the Somalia of South Asia. I mean, it's just like, it's true.

It's true. It really sounds like that, yeah. So in 2006, I came back from Somalia and I had this buddy at a bookstore on Abakini and Venice. Great place. It's a crazy clubhouse. Really fun. And he said, you got to stop being a pussy. I said, what do you mean? He said, you got to stop trying to get 14 year old guys to kill you because you have some death fantasy because you're like Hemingway, right? And I said, what do you mean? He said, you got to stop trying to get 14-year-old guys to kill you because

you have some death fantasy because you're like Hemingway, right? And I said, well, you got a good point there. So I said, I need a war I can, that I could manage. So as it turned out, I had two things. One, I had some money that I had made contracting through intelligence agencies was oddly enough, hard you spend sometimes because of the nature of how

those things pay out. Okay. And then I had a friend who was an entrepreneur who was a member of

another intelligence agency in another country. And we had a conversation in New York,

and he had an idea, and it involved this country called East Timor. East Timor is half of an island that's north of

Darwin, Australia, and east of Bali. What's the other half of the island? Sri Lanka is on.

West Timor. Oh, really? I've never heard of West Timor. I mean, it's just a little tiny island. So

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