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124. Running to Do Evil

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🗓️ 25 April 2013

⏱️ 25 minutes

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Summary

An interview with Unabomber Ted Kaczynski, whose younger brother turned him in -- and what it says about the Boston bombers.

Transcript

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0:00.0

If you are a man or a boy and you have a brother, especially an older brother, then you

0:11.4

know that the bond between brothers is unlike any other.

0:16.3

Sometimes that bond is almost impossibly wonderful.

0:20.3

We used to, very often we used to go out on the plate catch or one of us would hit the

0:25.0

ball with a bat and a little catch it.

0:27.6

And I remember one time when we were throwing that ball, we were as far apart as we could,

0:33.2

we could get and still reach each other with the ball.

0:35.0

We just threw that ball as hard as we could and as far as we could.

0:37.2

Of course the ball was thrown very inaccurate because we were trying so hard to throw it.

0:41.6

And so we were making usually running with leaping catches.

0:45.4

We made more fantastic catches than they would.

0:48.2

And I think we did it all the rest of our hears to get that that was more fun.

0:53.8

And sometimes the brotherly bond is toxic.

0:59.2

I don't know that it's exactly the truth that you want to be a sufferer exactly.

1:03.4

It's more like, more as if he wanted to score a victory over me, defeat me, put himself

1:12.5

in the victorious position in me and the position that once defeated him, he really did.

1:21.8

You probably don't recognize this voice because he hasn't spoken much in public, but you

1:27.0

do know the person the voice belongs to.

1:30.9

It's Ted Kaczynski.

1:32.2

Okay.

1:33.2

Do you deny in the context of this interview, do you deny that you commit as a crime

1:40.0

to tribute to the Unibomber?

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