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This is Freakonomics Radio on Marketplace.

Here's the host of Marketplace, Kyra's Doll.

Time now for a little Freakonomics Radio.

It's that moment every couple of weeks we talk to Stephen Dumbner,

the co-author of the books and the blog of the same name.

It is the hidden side of everything.

Dumbner a long time, no talk, man.

Great to be back, Ky. Thanks for having me.

You bet.

You trained as a Navy pilot, I know.

I wonder if you ever thought about afterward working as a commercial pilot?

Was that ever a plan?

Yeah, no, not really. That was never my thing.

Yeah.

Well, if you had, and if you had interviewed with, let's say, Alaska Airlines,

there's something you would have needed to know.

Here's an airline spokesperson, Marianne Lindsay.

In general, there's a question that's asked, have you smoked or used tobacco products within the last,

I believe, it's six months, and we go by how the employee responds to that question.

And then before they are hired, they have a drug test that they take.

That detects a continuous.

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