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the mentalist, magician, marathoner, and master of mentalism you've probably seen on America's

Got Talent, the Today Show, or maybe just blowing people's minds on the streets of New York.

Now, I've known O's since back in undergrad at Michigan. We lived in the same dorm area,

and honestly, I should have known he'd end up famous when I saw one of his old penguin magic videos while I was grinding through law school. He was just that one of those guys where you're like, wow, this guy's like got an extra something. He's got the X factor. And so no surprise that he ended up super famous and successful. Hey, if you've ever seen a perform, you know exactly what I mean. The guy, he doesn't just read minds. He reads people, their tells, their tone, their energy, those subtle cues that most of us miss entirely. And he turns all that data into what looks like straight up wizardry. Now, there's probably a trick or 10 in there somewhere, but I have no idea how any of it works. You'll see him blow my mind on this show. Of course,

O's is not psychic or actually magical. He's more like a psychologist with flair. He treats mentalism as a trained skill, part observation, part empathy, part showmanship, a lot of showmanship.

And we're going to break down how those tools apply far beyond the stage. We'll talk about

how to build rapport in

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