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My conversation with Ezra Klein of Vox Media. I think I'm going to resist the temptation to add

any editorial comments here. My previous episode, the Extreme Housekeeping Edition, had my

full reaction to all of the controversy that preceded this podcast. At the beginning here,

I go through a timeline of events with Ezra. Everyone will be up to speed.

I think the conversation speaks for itself, and if you listen to the whole thing,

you will definitely know what I think about it by the end. I think it probably does have

educational value. I certainly hope it does. As to what lessons can be drawn from it,

I will let you decide. All I can say is that I actually did my best here. This was a sincere

effort to communicate, and you can judge the effect. Now I bring you Ezra Klein.

Okay, so for better or worse, we're finally doing a podcast together.

We're finally doing it. So here's what I would suggest, and I wanted to see if this was

amenable to you. So I heard the Housekeeping episode this week. I thought it would make sense for

me to just give a couple of minutes, short opening thing at the beginning, try to frame where I am

on this. I think I may have a way to frame it a little productively. And then I'm happy to,

in return, that give you the last word on the podcast. If that feels right to you.

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