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Learn more at realestateforlife.org. Hello and welcome to Catholic Answers Live. I'm Sykelly, your host. Very happy to be here with you, but I've got to ask a question of you. Why aren't you Catholic? That's what we're talking about today. If you're not a Catholic, maybe you used to be a Catholic. Maybe you started out but didn't never finish the process. Maybe you have no interest in being a Catholic. Maybe your answer to that question would be, why would I be a Catholic? Do you know, we'd even take that call. We'd be happy to talk with you about that. 8883187-884 is the number, triple-8-387-884.

Our guest is one of the world's top 17 apologists. He falls into the top 17 apologists

for the Catholic Church, and his name is

Joe Heschmire, the author of many fine books, including the early church was the Catholic

Church. Hello, Joe Heschmeier. It's great to be here. I have some questions about your number.

I've never heard this 17 stat before. I like it. I just think it's funny, because whenever somebody

does put someone in the top 17, you know, well, they're number 17. Like if you said top 20, you go, I don't know where they are in the top 20. But if you say top 17, that's a dumb number. So, I mean, I don't know what the technical term for that number is, but it's dumb. So that means they're 17. Yeah, that's a great point. I'm like a detective.

I acknowledge that. So I actually had that with law schools. We were, I was at Georgetown,

and we were at the time in the T-14, which is a pretty arbitrary number, and I'm pretty sure we were

number 14. Yeah, if you're trying, if your school is advertising, we're in the top 14, you know they're not number 13

because they wouldn't say top 14 then.

You know, it might actually sound better just to say top 20.

Yeah, it might.

It might make you sound less pathetic, kind of.

Yeah, if you're in the top three, you know, you're number three. Like that's right. You don't go, if you're number two, you don't go, I'm in the top three. Nobody gets a gold says, I'm glad I'm meddled. That's right. That's what I got a, I got a metal. No, if you got, if you say I got a metal, you're bronze. If you, if you got gold or silver, or a very disappointed silver. A silver who was convinced they needed, you know, they don't even want to talk about the fact you got silver. Apparently though, silver medalists tend to come away being more disappointed than bronze medalists. Because they were so close. Because the silver medalist is thinking like, I could have been gold. Yeah. And the bronze medalist is like, I almost didn't get a medal at all. I could have been number four, which they don't even have a color for. Yeah. That's, yeah, it's like if you said, uh, I graduated from college. You didn't go to Harvard then. Because if you had graduated from Harvard, you would have said, I graduate from Harvard. I definitely should start doing this with introducing people.

Be like, high school graduate and apologist Joe Heschmeier.

It's not wrong.

No, it's not wrong.

You did graduate from my school.

Yeah.

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