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The Anxiety Coaches Podcast

1225: Feeling Great With Dr. David Burns Part 2

The Anxiety Coaches Podcast

Gina Ryan

Mental Health, Religion & Spirituality, Health & Fitness

4.61.9K Ratings

🗓️ 4 March 2026

⏱️ 22 minutes

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Summary

In today's episode, Gina shares part two of her interview with Dr. David Burns, a Stanford educated psychiatrist noted for his pioneering work in cognitive therapy and development of TEAM CBT, and evolution of cognitive therapy that can provide rapid recovery. Dr. Burns discusses his app, which is free for users and can make substantial progress in healing users mental health concerns (such as anxiety and depression) with only a few hours of use!. Listen in to hear more wisdom, experience and insight from Dr. Burns today!


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Chapters

0:26 Introduction to the Podcast

2:46 The Feeling Great App

5:31 Challenges with Mental Health Professionals

7:17 Exploring Funding Options

11:02 The Role of AI in Therapy

15:14 The State of Psychiatry Today

18:19 The Power of Thought Change

20:16 Spiritual Enlightenment Through Recovery

21:04 Conclusion and Next Steps


Summary

In this episode, I continue my engaging conversation with Dr. David Burns, a prominent figure in the fields of psychotherapy and cognitive behavioral therapy. As the author of bestselling books such as "Feeling Good" and "When Panic Attacks," Dr. Burns has dedicated decades to understanding and treating mental health challenges such as anxiety and depression. Together, we explore the evolution of therapeutic techniques and how measuring emotional outcomes has revolutionized the approach to treating patients.


Dr. Burns shares fascinating insights from his 35 years of experience, emphasizing the value of quantifying patients' feelings before and after therapy sessions. By adopting a methodology akin to sports performance analysis, he explains how psychotherapists can evaluate effectiveness and refine their techniques, ultimately leading to more successful treatments. His innovative approach has resulted in models where many patients enjoy significant relief from anxiety in just one intensive session. The brilliance of Dr. Burns's work extends to his latest project, the Feeling Great app, which utilizes advanced AI to replicate his therapeutic techniques, offering users a groundbreaking and accessible tool for managing mental health.


However, we delve into the challenges faced by creators of mental health resources amidst a complex landscape dominated by traditional practices. Dr. Burns articulates his frustration over the limited support for AI-driven mental health solutions, highlighting the hesitance of both the public and mental health professionals who fear the disruption these innovations may pose to traditional therapeutic models. He shares his concerns that despite the power of the Feeling Great app, the financial viability of sustaining such an effective tool remains tenuous.


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Transcript

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0:00.0

Welcome to the anxiety coaches podcast, a relaxing and informative show where we explore anxiety, panic, and PTSD, sharing how you can overcome them for life.

0:23.1

Aloha.

0:24.2

Welcome back to the Anxiety Coaches podcast.

0:27.6

I'm your host and coach, Gina Ryan, and I am so happy to be with you again today

0:34.1

as together we can consider the many ways to bring your mind and body back to its

0:40.5

natural peace and calm. Welcome back to the Anxiety Coaches podcast. If you're tuning in today,

0:47.3

you're in for part two of my interesting conversation with Dr. David Burns. He's the author of

0:53.9

Feeling Good and he's also the author of

0:57.7

When Panic Attacks. If you missed the earlier episode with David, I highly recommend listening to it

1:04.2

before diving into this episode. It's packed with stories and insights you won't want to miss.

1:12.3

Yeah, and not hearing from them again is a good thing.

1:15.1

Pardon me?

1:16.0

Oh, yes, absolutely.

1:18.2

And so what I try to do and have tried to do for the last, I would say, 40 years or 35 years,

1:26.2

when I was a psychiatric resident, and I would have someone with depression or anxiety, we would just talk, talk, talk. There were no techniques. There was no method. And we never measured anything. See, I measure my patient's feelings at the start and end of every session.

1:45.9

His, all of his anxiety went to zero on the scales. So I could see that something dramatic

1:52.9

had happened. But we just talked endlessly. And I used to think when I was walking home

1:59.7

from work, I wonder if you could get good at psychotherapy,

2:05.6

like a sports figure playing basketball.

2:09.3

And each time you shoot, you can see if the ball goes through the hoop.

2:13.5

And if we started measuring each session, we would know when we were being effective and could

2:19.0

we develop really powerful techniques.

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