What Came Next is intended for mature audiences only.

Episodes discuss topics that can be triggering,

such as emotional, physical, and sexual violence, animal abuse, suicide, and murder.

I am not a therapist, nor am I a doctor.

If you're in need of support, please visit Something Was Wrong.com

forward slash resources for a list of non-profit organizations that can help.

Opinions expressed by my guests on the show are their own and do not necessarily represent the views of myself or broken cycle media.

Resources and source material are linked in the episode notes. Thank you so much for listening. It has been a great honor to host Mike Sacks and Kelly G on what came next prior to this conversation.

Kelly first shared his experiences of abuse in episodes 51 and 52, entitled Against Big

Odds and What Happens Next, which aired in January of 2024.

Episodes 109 and 110 entitled Silence is an Incubator and Up to Us to Protect were released over a year later and highlight Mike's abuse experiences with the same hockey coach nearly a decade prior to Kelly.

The two men, united by sharing their experiences in the media and possessing a similar mission

to change the world, created a non-profit organization called Survivors for Change.

In this special episode of What Came Next, both men join us again to share about their process

of developing a life-changing program for survivors and their support systems

in the wake of their healing.

The Broken Cycle Media team extends our immense gratitude to the Survivors for Change team.

It's survivors and organizations like theirs that will enable this vicious cycle of abuse

to finally end.

Hi, my name is Michael Sacks. I'm the founder and chairman of Survivors for Change,

and I'm here with our executive director, Kelly G.

Hi, everyone. I'm Kelly G. I've had the fortune of doing a couple episodes with Amy last year and really happy to be back on and talking with all you today.

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