122: Part 2: Jim Lawler Recruits Spies, Chases Nukes, and Tracks Bioweapons for CIA

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🗓️ 31 October 2023

⏱️ 61 minutes

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Summary

James Lawler served for 25 years as a CIA operations officer in various international posts and was a member of CIA's Senior Intelligence Service from 1998 until retirement in 2005. He was a specialist in the recruitment of foreign spies, and he spent well over half of his CIA career battling the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction. As Chief of the A.Q. Khan Nuclear Takedown Team, his team disrupted the most dangerous nuclear weapons network in history.

He’s the author of two books: Living Lies,” an espionage story of the Iranian nuclear weapons program, and “In the Twinkling of an Eye,” about a devastating covert Russian-North Korean genetic bioweapons program. You can find his books on Amazon.

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0:00.0	Sure, this is Peloton.
0:02.4	This is a 15 minute low impact ride.
0:05.6	But so is this.
0:07.2	We're here together for a 10 minute empathy meditation.
0:10.5	And even this.
0:11.9	We get hit in with a 20 minute hip-hop shadow boxes session.
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0:21.3	there's more to Peloton than you might have thought.
0:23.6	This is Peloton.
0:25.5	Internet connection and Peloton all acts as membership required.
0:28.4	C1 Peloton.co.uk.
0:42.4	I got a question for you.
0:43.6	So when you select a target,
0:47.6	it sounds like you have to get pre-approval from Langley
0:50.8	to recruit these people, is that true?
0:52.3	That's true.
0:52.8	Yes, you get what we refer to as a provisional operational approval.
0:56.9	In other words, you outline number one, you've developed this person.
1:02.1	You've assessed that they have access.
1:04.1	You don't recruit people who don't have access to something that we need.
1:08.4	You've been approved.
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