Well done. You've sorted through the embarrassment of riches that is the modern podcast landscape

and found me Rob Briden on my podcast. In this series of Briden and I talk to among

others Harry Hill, Ben Elton, Charlotte Church, Steve Cougan and Dame Harriet Walter.

And that's just a few. We tend to chat for about 45 minutes to an hour never longer.

It's terrific conversation, reminiscent where appropriate and exchange of anecdotes.

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Bob Roth is the guy who teaches transcendental meditation to lots of very, very, very well-known

people, including George Stephanopoulos and Robin Roberts, both previous guests on this podcast.

David Letterman and so many celebrities such a cavalcade of stars I can't even begin to

list them all but we'll hear him talk about it a little bit. And I've met him one time before

we had lunch about a year ago and we had a very frank conversation at that time because

there is for a variety of reasons some level of distrust or suspicion on the part of some

in the meditation tradition out of which I emerge Buddhism slash secular mindfulness about

TM transcendental meditation which kind of emerges out of Hindu or Vedic meditation and

there have been critical books written about TM by former members that have helped fuel

some of the aforementioned skepticism, cynicism, suspicion that I was talking about.

Including actually you might want to go back and listen to Claire Hoffman gave an interview

on this podcast. She grew up in the TM or a specific part of the TM organization in Iowa

and wrote a book called Greetings from Utopia Park in which she sort of talked in some mixed

ways about all that. So long way of saying there's been some weirdness let's just say about

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