Welcome to Betrayal Trauma Recovery, BTR.org. I'm Anne. I'm sure you remember what it was like when you were searching for help, maybe for your husband, hoping to find the right program or therapist. That's why I started podcasting. I supported my husband through seven years of pornography addiction recovery and not one therapist during that time told me I was experiencing emotional

and psychological abuse and sexual coercion. I didn't want any other woman on the planet to be in

the dark. If you're like the majority of my listeners, you're experiencing the type of abuse that's

invisible and difficult to wrap your head around. Your husband is using porn or having

affairs or lying to you, and you're getting the same bad advice about how to improve communication

or your relationship. If you need support from women who totally understand, check out our daily

group session schedule at BTR.org slash group. We'd love to see you in a session today. One simple, anonymous way to help spread the word

is to click, follow, or subscribe to the Betrayal Trauma Recovery podcast on your favorite

podcasting app. While you're there, every five-star rating helps make this podcast more visible

and will help save other women from getting the wrong kind of help, like a couple

program that will make this type of abuse worse. For those of you who follow or subscribe to this

podcast, thank you so much. Your support means so much to me. I'm really excited to have Michelle and

Kate on the podcast today. Their fellow she-ro friends, we're going to talk about all, mine included, of our journey

from finding out about our spouse's sex addiction and seeking help first through

quote-unquote codependent means, being on that train for a little little while and then coming to grips with the fact that it's abuse and then how we progress to where we are today.

We're all learning as we go.

So if you've listened to the podcast, you may say, oh, she thought this two years ago.

Now she thinks something different.

And that's how all of us are as we progress.

So let's start with Michelle. Let's talk about your journey of discovering healing. What has it been like?

It seems like it's been a forever road. First, there was a friend of mine that told me about

this wonderful world of SAL. Most listeners won't be aware of what SAL is, so let me jump in here for a second.

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