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Jay & Miles X-Plain the X-Men

12 – Inner Circle Jerk

Jay & Miles X-Plain the X-Men

Jay Edidin & Miles Stokes

Books, Visual Arts, Arts

4.71.9K Ratings

🗓️ 29 June 2014

⏱️ 43 minutes

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Summary

In which we wade into the first arc of the Dark Phoenix Saga, Rachel does not like Sage, the Hellfire Club are the mean girls of the Marvel Universe, Cyclops and Phoenix have a Moment, Mastermind ruins everything, Emma Frost is a force to be reckoned with, Wolverine gets awesome, and we meet the Dark Phoenix.

X-Plained:

  • Sage
  • The Hellfire Club
  • The Inner Circle
  • Jason Wyngarde (again)
  • Sebastian Shaw
  • Harry Leland
  • Emma Frost
  • Donald Pierce
  • Hegemony and social politics of the Hellfire Club
  • 18th Century bondage cosplay
  • Kitty Pryde
  • The worst disco ever
  • Alison Blaire
  • Tiny shorts
  • How to make Wolverine work
  • Sexual politics of the Dark Phoenix
  • Why Magneto’s powers are broken post-AvX
  • The P.E.N.I.S. five

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Transcript

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0:00.0

Hey Rachel, when are we going to explain Sage? People keep asking.

0:03.2

Oh God, Miles, do we have to?

0:05.4

She's Hellfire Club relevant.

0:07.2

Come on, what do you have against Sage?

0:08.6

Miles, she's everything frustrating about Claremont in one compact package.

0:12.8

She can't be that bad.

0:14.2

Miles, Sages are retcon elemental.

0:16.4

She's worse than Rachel Summers.

0:17.6

I mean, she's worse than Wolverine.

0:19.8

Hey, hey, no one's worse than Wolverines.

0:21.7

Oh, Sages.

0:23.0

She was introduced in 2001, then backwritten

0:25.5

to be involved in a bunch of major X-Men stories.

0:28.0

And she's impossible to research

0:29.6

without mainlining like 40 years of comics,

0:32.1

because every article that goes into her history lists

0:34.8

X-Men 132 as her first appearance even though that was a retcon from 30

0:39.3

freaking years later. Right yeah she was a spy in the Hellfire Club then, right?

0:43.0

Oh, yeah, but that's just the tip of the iceberg.

0:45.8

Did you know she was also the kid who rescued Xavier after the fight with Lucifer where he lost

0:49.6

use of his legs?

0:51.3

And then later he recruited her at the same time as the original X-Men, but he kept

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