Hi, my name is Dr. Rongen Chatterjee, medical doctor, author of the 4-pillar plan and BBC television presenter.

I believe that all of us have the ability to feel better than we currently do, but getting healthy has become far too complicated.

With this podcast, I aim to simplify it.

I'm going to be having conversations with some of the most interesting and exciting people both within,

as well as outside the health space to hopefully inspire you, as well as empower you with simple tips that you can put into practice immediately to transform the way that you feel.

I believe that when we are healthier, we are happier because when we feel better, we live more.

I'm really excited to welcome today's guest onto the podcast.

It's somebody who is pretty hard to put in a box. He is safe to say the person who I give the most credit for actually getting rid of my 10-year history of Back Pain for good.

Mr. Gary Ward, Gary, welcome to the podcast.

Thank you, Rongen. It's an absolute pleasure to be here.

Gary, we've got to know each other really well over the past few years, and in that time we've actually done quite a bit of work together.

I always try and share with a listener how I met some of my guests, and if I just sort of rewind back a few years, I can't sure remember when it was now, but I...

2012? Maybe 2012? I like many people who have had a long history of Back Problems, and you know, like many people, until I had a Back Problem, I never thought about my back.

I just got on and I did what I needed to do.

Yeah, and I was at university. I was at medical school. I think I was in the final year there, and I was helping a friend of mine, Mary, move into one new apartment, and I was lifting boxes all afternoon.

I didn't think about my technique, didn't think about whether my back was straight on art. I was just a, you know, a young, strong guy moving boxes, and then boom, out of nowhere.

I was just a shot pain in my right lower back, and I fell to the ground. I couldn't get up, I screamed at an agony.

And that was the start of a 10-year journey, pretty much, of having to give up things that I loved, having to spend a lot of time at different appointments, spend a lot of money on a lot of private therapies to try and get me better.

I was still in back pain. I was still in pain, and I wasn't getting better. And around that time, I was really into skiing, so I was watching a lot of ski videos, and I think I saw something online that you were doing something at a ski show, I think.

Yeah, and you were, there was something that you said that really made me resonate with you. I thought, wow, he's looking for the root cause of the problem, not just looking at backache being a back problem.

And so I've always been very open-minded, I've always wanted to learn, and I found who you were on the internet, and I signed up to go on with your courses, because you are an educator, you educate.

So it's been foremost, yeah.

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