Here's a headline from this week. According to the Anti-Defamation League, anti-Semitism is on a historic rise.

There were more than 10,000 incidents in the past year in the United States of America.

That's more for any previous period since 1979 when the ADL started tracking these incidents.

We've been hearing a lot of it happening on college campuses, but it is not limited to there.

It seriously is a problem.

This is Justice by Design.

I'm Kimberly Atkins Store.

This is a podcast where we tackle some of the biggest

issues facing Americans, including anti-Semitism, and talk about solutions of how to fix that.

And to talk today, I am thrilled to be joined by Kenneth Stern. Kenneth Stern is director of the

Bard Center for the study of hate, an author,

and also a noted attorney. Ken, thank you for joining us today. Thank you so much for having me.

And Ken, tell us a little bit about what you do at Bard.

Well, at Bard, I direct the Bard Center for the study of Hate, which is an interdisciplinary effort to look at human hatred, how it exists, why it exists, how we get into the us versus them buckets, how sometimes it leads to, you know, terrible examples of dehumanization and demonization.

And the basic ideas, there's a lot of different ideas there

already in social psychology and history, religion, other fields, but we don't sort of harness it

in a way to give us better answers of how do you deal with hatred, how do you understand it?

And that's the purpose of the growing field of hate studies.

And I know you have talked and written about and studied anti-Semitism. And at this point in time,

I also sort of want to start a conversation because we're looking for solutions here. And I realized

in thinking about this, that we can't talk about a solution to the problem unless we define it

clearly. And that's been one of your jobs, too, helping to define what anti-Semitism is. Tell us a

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