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No Stupid Questions

12. Does “As If” Thinking Really Work?

No Stupid Questions

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4.63.7K Ratings

🗓️ 9 March 2025

⏱️ 33 minutes

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Also: how effective is the placebo effect? This episode originally aired on August 2, 2020.

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0:00.0

I can do open heart surgery. Come on. I've seen it three times.

0:06.8

I'm Angela Duckworth. I'm Stephen Dubner. And you're listening to No Stupid Questions.

0:12.0

Today on the show, can you actually fake it till you make it?

0:17.0

So I'm a nine-year-old kid. Yeah, I can drive.

0:20.0

Also, why do placebos make us feel better?

0:25.1

Oh, I know you fell down and you're bleeding profusely, but I have a teaspoon of sugar for you.

0:32.1

Angela, I read about a psychological trick of sorts, and I'm wondering if it has any validity. Are you willing to

0:39.3

hear me out in past judgment? Of course I am. Go ahead. So the purpose of this trick is to get

0:44.6

yourself out of a depressive or bad mood, and this comes from Quora. I'll read the entry. It was

0:50.9

written by a mental health counselor named Aaron Doodle. I hope I'm

0:55.0

pronouncing it right, D-U-T-I-L. And he says this came from a client of his. So I'm quoting

0:59.9

Aaron Doodle talking about his client. When he woke up in the morning, if he felt the symptoms of

1:05.2

depression, he would pretend that he was an actor in a movie. After he would shower, he would

1:09.6

stare into his bathroom mirror and shout out

1:11.9

loud to himself, action. He would then act as if he was a non-depressed movie character.

1:19.7

Many times, people will allow the symptoms to keep them from functioning in their daily lives,

1:24.3

making the symptoms even worse. A vicious cycle soon occurs. Sometimes, if you

1:28.9

act as if long enough, you become that role for good or bad. So, Angela, I'm curious,

1:35.8

is this a real thing in your discipline, psychology, as if thinking? And if so, is it reliably

1:41.8

successful? Well, the short answer is, yes, it's a thing.

1:46.8

It often works to pretend that you're in a certain mood or you're acting in a certain social role.

1:54.9

There's one study about pretending to be an extrovert, being assert talkative the first to raise your hand in that

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