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The Counsel of Trent

#1182 - Refuting Dean Withers on Abortion

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🗓️ 8 July 2026

⏱️ 18 minutes

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In this episode Trent rebuts Dean Withers's arguments for legal abortion. To support this channel: https://www.patreon.com/counseloftrent [NEW] Counsel of Trent merch: https://shop.catholic.com/apologists-alley/trent-horn-resources/ Be sure to keep up with our socials! https://www.tiktok.com/@counseloftrent https://www.twitter.com/counseloftrent https://www.instagram.com/counseloftrentpodcast

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Recently, liberal commenter Dean Withers appeared on Jubilee to face off against 20 MAGA Republicans,

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and one of the prompts he defended was the claim that abortion should be legal.

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So in today's episode, we'll respond to some of Dean's arguments.

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But before we do that, if you could take a moment to do two things, I would greatly appreciate it.

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trendhornpodcast.com. Now let's take a look at Dean Withers' arguments for legal abortion. I have a question for you. Do you believe in equality? Well, I mean, I think that's a very vague question, but generally, of course. Okay. So if you do, then all humans are equal, correct? No, I don't think that all humans are equal, and I don't think you do either. Oh, I absolutely think that all humans have a right to life, liberty, and a pursuit of

1:29.0

happiness. It's part of our Bill of Rights. And if you actually love our Constitution, our Bill

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of Rights, then you would believe what I believe. Well, I mean, it says people, but small distinction

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there. I want to ask you a question. Is it murder for a doctor to pull the plug on a branded dead patient in the hospital? Withers seems to think that this is the pro-life argument. Premise 1. It should be illegal to kill innocent human beings. Premise 2. Abortion kills innocent human beings. Conclusion, therefore, abortion should be illegal. Withers claims premise one is false because we can kill brain dead human

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beings. And if we can kill brain dead human beings, then maybe we can kill other human beings as

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well, including unborn human beings, that seems like the most ethical decision to make. So Wither's

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position seems to be only persons can't be directly killed, but not all human beings are persons.

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