Today I had the opportunity to interview Ashley Gad,

founder of Coffee and Crumbs,

which you'll hear as the first podcast

that I ever listened to in my life.

So that was really fun.

And she is now the author of her new book, Create Anyway,

The Joy of Pursuing Creativity in the Margins of Motherhood.

So Ashley is so cool, just as a person,

and she's passionate about encouraging women,

especially moms, to embrace creativity in their lives

as it means to enhance their own well-being

and the well-being of their families.

So we talk about overcoming the guilt of pursuing creative passions

and kind of acknowledging that women feel guilty

for taking time to themselves as a whole

because they see it as selfish,

but she challenges that thought

in reminding us how creativity can be a vital source

and that our creativity can be a vital source

of showing our children what creativity looks like

and what God's creativity is.

We also talk about doing things

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