1159: Classic ACP 601 Anxiety And The Grief Process
The Anxiety Coaches Podcast
Gina Ryan
4.6 • 1.8K Ratings
🗓️ 16 July 2025
⏱️ 16 minutes
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Summary
In today's episode, Gina discusses the five stages of grief and how important grief is in overcoming anxiety. Grief can be a powerful tool for moving through the uncertain world we all face and understanding it can help us to cope with stress.
The Five Stages of Grief go to https://grief.com/ by David Kessler for more on this subject
Book mentioned in this episode
Finding Meaning: The Sixth Stage of Grief by David Kessler
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Quote:
When we face the worst that can happen in any situation, we grow. When circumstances are at their worst, we can find our best.
-Elisabeth Kubler-Ross and David Kessler
Chapters
0:27 Grief and Anxiety
2:32 Understanding Denial
6:31 Embracing Anger
8:33 The Bargaining Stage
11:03 Navigating Depression
12:27 Acceptance and Moving Forward
15:12 Closing Thoughts
Summary
In this episode of the Anxiety Coaches Podcast, we delve into the intricate relationship between anxiety and the stages of grief. Our discussion is informed by the foundational work of Elizabeth Kubler-Ross, who introduced the five stages of grief, and the insights of David Kessler, whose book, "Finding Meaning: The Sixth Stage of Grief," expands on this model. The conversation is tailored for those navigating their own grief, particularly in the context of a global experience that has intensified feelings of loss and anxiety across the board.
We begin by unpacking the five stages: denial, anger, bargaining, depression, and acceptance. Each stage represents a unique emotional response to loss, and understanding these can offer clarity to those grappling with their own feelings. I emphasize that these stages do not unfold in a strict order and that each individual will traverse them at their own pace. This understanding is crucial, especially during times of heightened anxiety, as it legitimizes the feelings of discomfort and confusion many may be experiencing.
Initially, we explore denial, the first stage in the grieving process. I highlight how this state can be an instinctual protective mechanism, allowing individuals to process loss at a manageable pace. It is natural to feel overwhelmed and numb, particularly given the current societal turmoil. By recognizing that these feelings are valid, listeners can afford themselves the grace they may not realize they need.
Next, we discuss anger, a common emotional response to grief. I encourage listeners to acknowledge their anger—whether it’s directed at themselves, others, or even the universe—for what it is: a part of the healing journey. I explain that anger, while uncomfortable, is an opportunity to unearth deeper emotions and ultimately contributes to the process of healing.
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| 0:00.0 | Welcome to the anxiety coaches podcast, a relaxing and informative show where we explore anxiety, panic, and PTSD, sharing how you can overcome them for life. |
| 0:23.2 | Aloha. |
| 0:24.3 | Welcome back to the Anxiety Coaches podcast. |
| 0:27.7 | I'm your host and coach, Gina Ryan, |
| 0:30.4 | and I am so happy to be with you again today |
| 0:34.2 | as together we can consider the many ways to bring your mind and body back to its |
| 0:40.6 | natural peace and calm. In today's episode, I want to talk about anxiety and the grief |
| 0:48.9 | process. We've all heard about the five stages of grief from Elizabeth Kubler-Ross. |
| 0:57.9 | And also, David Kessler talks a lot about the grief process. |
| 1:03.1 | And I want to guide you to his website right off the bat here. |
| 1:07.6 | If you find that after we talk about this a little bit, you want to go deeper |
| 1:13.2 | into the grief. You can check out his website. It's easy to remember. Grief.com, and it's David Kessler. |
| 1:20.7 | He wrote a very interesting book entitled The Sixth Stage of Grief, because like I said, we typically talk about the five |
| 1:31.6 | stages of grief, but his book is titled Finding Meaning, the Sixth Stage of Grief. |
| 1:39.2 | And I find that so interesting because that is exactly what happens, right, after we've come through |
| 1:46.5 | the grief process, which never really ends, but after we have been through that, we find |
| 1:54.2 | meaning. So anyway, great things for you to check out to move further and go deeper, and those links will be in the |
| 2:02.4 | show notes for you. I have some notes here that I wanted to go over with you about the five |
| 2:08.8 | stages of grief, and you can find a lot of this on the grief.com website. Because again, we've talked about these five stages for a long time. |
| 2:21.3 | Elizabeth Kubler-Ross has been the expert on this. And it's very important that we talk about this now |
| 2:28.2 | because we are all globally experiencing grief. Of course, we will all handle it in our own way, |
| 2:37.6 | handling it differently as each individual going through the different stages at our own |
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