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The Counsel of Trent

#1148 - Protestants, Stop Saying THIS About Catholicism

The Counsel of Trent

Catholic Answers

Religion & Spirituality

4.82.7K Ratings

🗓️ 8 April 2026

⏱️ 25 minutes

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Is Catholicism a cult? That accusation falls apart fast. In this episode, Trent Horn shows why the word cult is often used in a sloppy, self-defeating way, and why many anti-Catholic arguments about obedience, canon law, and Church authority collapse under closer examination. To support this channel: https://www.patreon.com/counseloftrent [NEW] Counsel of Trent merch: https://shop.catholic.com/apologists-alley/trent-horn-resources/ Be sure to keep up with our socials! https://www.tiktok.com/@counseloftrent https://www.twitter.com/counseloftrent https://www.instagram.com/counseloftrentpodcast

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0:00.0

There's lots of insulting labels that are thrown at Catholics, like Papist or Romanist,

0:04.2

but there's one that non-Catholics should avoid because it undermines what they believe,

0:08.9

and that is calling Catholicism a cult.

0:11.8

Here's the problem.

0:13.1

It's almost impossible to define the word cult in a non-arbitrary way that doesn't also make your own religion or church a cult. The Latin word cultists

0:22.6

referred to care, cultivation, adoration, or worship. It forms the root of the word culture,

0:28.4

meaning what a group of people values. For most of history, the English word cult just meant

0:33.2

a system of religious worship. It could be used, for example, to describe the cult of Mithras in ancient

0:38.9

Rome. In the 19th century, it expanded to include excessive devotion outside of religious context,

0:45.2

like the growing cult of Shakespeare in the 19th century. But it wasn't until the 1960s and 70s that

0:51.1

the meaning of the word cult shifted to refer to new kinds of religious systems

0:55.9

that were considered dangerous. Events that shifted this opinion included the 1969 murders

1:01.0

committed by the Manson family cult and the 1978 Jonestown massacre where over 900 members

1:06.7

of Jim Jones' people's temple took their own lives or were murdered as part of the cult of

1:11.9

Jim Jones. Among evangelicals, the word cult came to be synonymous with non-Christian religions

1:17.1

that claim to be Christian, as can be seen in Walter Martin's 1965 book, The Kingdom of the Cults.

1:23.1

Martin was even interviewed about Jones Town in a 1978 news report. Why did they stay? Why did they submit to a Jim Jones? Why did so many die at Jonestown?

1:33.7

Now the person is conditioned into this gradually, isolated, indoctrinated, made dependent,

1:41.3

and then taught that everybody who contradicts this is indeed their enemy.

1:48.0

They developed what could be called a religious paranoia, in which everybody's against us.

1:53.3

So we all hang together.

1:55.0

Martin's book focused on so-called Christian groups that deny core Christian doctrines, like the deity of Christ or the Trinity.

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