1147: How to Optimize Your Space to Thrive with Leidy Klotz
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How to be Awesome at Your Job
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🗓️ 20 April 2026
⏱️ 37 minutes
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Summary
Leidy Klotz shares simple shifts for creating more spaces that improve well-being.
— YOU’LL LEARN —
1) The three core needs that well-designed spaces meet
2) How to feel in control of spaces you can’t control
3) How to harness the “home turf” advantage anywhere
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— ABOUT LEIDY —
Leidy Klotz is a behavioral scientist and engineering professor at the University of Virginia who studies how and why humans design. He has written for the Washington Post, Fast Company, Scientific American, and Harvard Business Review; has published his work in top journals like Nature and Science; and has been interviewed on Hidden Brain, Freakonomics, Mindscape, and The Atlantic’s How to Build a Happy Life. Klotz has advised clients ranging from the Departments of Energy and Homeland Security to CapitalOne and Amazon.
• Book: In a Good Place: How the Spaces Where We Live, Work, and Play Can Help Us Thrive
• Website: LeidyKlotz.com
— RESOURCES MENTIONED IN THE SHOW —
• Study: “Location in negotiation: Is there a home field advantage?” by Graham Brown and Marcus Baer
• Book: Shatterproof: How to Thrive in a World of Constant Chaos (And Why Resilience Alone Isn’t Enough) by Tasha Eurich
• Book: The Life-Changing Magic of Tidying Up: The Japanese Art of Decluttering and Organizing by Marie Kondo
• Book: The Power of Moments: Why Certain Experiences Have Extraordinary Impact by Chip Heat and Dan Heath
• Past episode: 317: How to Form Habits the Smart Way with BJ Fogg, PhD
• Past episode: 684: Achieving More by Tapping into the Science of Less with Leidy Klotz
• Past episode: 1066: How to Thrive When Your Resilience Runs Out with Dr. Tasha Eurich
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| 0:00.0 | We know that location matters in negotiations. |
| 0:12.0 | I mean, the diplomats will like negotiate the location before they negotiate the treaty. |
| 0:17.1 | But the study was brilliant. They had two groups. In one group they had sit in a room for 20 minutes, and then they had the other group come into that room to negotiate. |
| 0:24.8 | And the group that had been in the room for 20 minutes achieved better outcomes in the negotiations. |
| 0:29.4 | That's something that anybody can do. |
| 0:30.9 | You can show up 20 minutes early for the meeting and just feel more at home. |
| 0:40.6 | That's Lidy Klotz. |
| 0:41.9 | He's a behavioral scientist and engineering professor |
| 0:44.1 | at the University of Virginia. |
| 0:45.6 | His work's been published in many outlets and journals, |
| 0:48.2 | and he's also the author of two books. |
| 0:49.9 | Today, he's sharing his research from his latest |
| 0:51.7 | called In a Good Place, |
| 0:53.0 | how the spaces where we live, work, and play can help us thrive. So you'll learn one, the three core needs that well-designed spaces meet. Two, how to feel in control of spaces that you don't control. And three, how to harness your home turf advantage anywhere. If you want to quick summary write-up with the actual wisdom |
| 1:11.3 | that Lydie shares, I recommend you sign up for the free Gold Nugget email, which you can find |
| 1:15.1 | at Awesome at Your Job.com. I'm Pete McItis. This is how to be awesome at your job. And now here's |
| 1:20.8 | Lydie. |
| 1:26.1 | Lyddy, welcome back. Thanks, Pete. It's great to be here. Well, I'm excited to talk about your latest |
| 1:30.6 | work in a good place. Last time we're talking about subtraction and how that can enrich our lives. |
| 1:35.8 | Now we're talking about locations. Could you kick us off with a particularly surprising or fascinating |
| 1:42.3 | discovery you've made about this stuff? |
| 1:49.4 | One of the things when I was going through the research for location that just struck me was there's a study of nursing home residents and they found that in the study that they did, |
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