Jeff Meyerson, welcome to the Indie Hacker's podcast. Thank you, Cortland. You are a lot of things,

Jeff. You're a musician. You've released half a dozen albums. You are a software engineer.

You're the primary reason why the Indie Hackers podcast exists. You convince me to start this thing

way back in 2016. And most significantly, you're the host of the Software Engineering Daily

podcast, which is one of my favorite shows. And it's also quite a remarkable business. I, you're the host of the Software Engineering Daily podcast, which is one of my favorite shows.

And it's also quite a remarkable business. I think you're doing something like 60 grand and revenue per month just from advertising in your podcast. Is that right?

Something like that, yeah. Very cool. I would also describe you as a podcaster's podcaster. Most of the podcasters that I know, somewhat surprisingly, don't listen to a lot of podcasts. I probably spend three hours a week on a good week listening to podcasts, as many weeks where I listen to zero hours of podcasts. You, on the other hand, are a very different creature. I've heard you complain more than once that you will literally run out of podcasts to listen to you. You'll exhaust everything on your

playlist, which is mind-blowing to me. How do you find the time to listen to that many

podcasts? And also, how would you describe the benefits? Like, how have you changed as a result

of being such an avid podcast listener? Well, we have norms around how many in-person

conversations we need to be having on a regular basis.

And if you throw out some of those norms and spend more of your time on the podcasts that are available,

then you can consume a lot more of them. Now, there's obviously

some downsides to that, but that's pretty much been the tradeoff that I've been making for the last

four, six, maybe eight years is I just listen to a ton of podcasts because the conversations tend to be

more rewarding than the average in-person conversation for me. Yeah, a podcast is basically

like being sort of a fly on the wall of some other people talking, which is super cool because

you can listen to almost anyone. Like you can listen to basically world leaders,

experts in their fields, discuss topics as if nobody else is listening. But the downside is that you

don't get to really interact. There might be times you want to jump in and ask questions. Is that

frustrate you at all? Or do you feel like you're missing something by trading a lot of these

end person conversations for podcasts? That doesn't frustrate me. I really like just listening. What's not good is that the

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