Hello, and welcome to Capagance's Live. I'm Sy Kellet, your host. Thanks for being here

with us on this Thursday afternoon. Or, as I like to say, could be Thursday evening

where you are, or maybe even Friday morning, depending on where you're listening and wherever

you are, we're awful glad that you chose to take the time and spend it with us. I think

you will find that a very rewarding experience today. Second hour, Jimmy Akin will be here.

We'll do open form as we usually do on Thursdays. But today, for the first hour, we have a special

guess. I would say a very special guess. Dr. Angela Franks is our guest from St. John's

seminary in Boston. We were just discussing Rusty Reno was here from first things. We asked

him, who's doing great work in theology these days? First thing out of his mouth, Angela

Franks. So, Dr. Franks, thanks very much for being here with us. Thank you. And we're

going to talk, but you have a book about the body and identity. So we'll talk about body,

identity, gender, all those things this hour. 888-318-788-4 is the number if you'd like

to get in on that conversation. If you thought to yourself, you know what I'd really like

to know what a really first-rate Catholic theologian thinks about all of this. Today is

your day. 888-318-788-4. Triple eight, 318-788-4. So maybe you could just give us a sense

of your thesis when you talk about the body and identity. Sure. Yeah. So this is a book

I'm working on that. I argue that really what we think our body problems are actually

identity problems. And by body problems, I mean, so the trans person, for example, who

says, well, I'm born in the wrong body, right? That's being presented as a body problem.

And they'll say that, you know, to other people, like this is a body problem. And the medical

community in Lisa America treats it like a body problem. But my contention is that it's

actually an identity problem, that it's easy for us to push our identity problems onto

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