Welcome back, Catholic Answers Live. I am Sy Kelly, your host, Jimmy Aiken, our guest

for the second hour. And we go back to the internet for all of our questions. It's an internet

open forum. So if I give out the number, that will be a mistake on my part because we're

not giving out the number today. We're just taking all of our questions. They've already

been what I shouldn't say. We're taking them from the internet. They have been taken already

from the internet. So if you'd like to participate in internet open forum in the future, maybe

you are connected to Jimmy in some way and the social media accounts and all that, you

can do that or you can just send it to us radio at catholic.com radio at catholic.com.

Jimmy Aiken, of course, senior apologists here at catholic answers, senior by virtue of

production and success and all that, but also by virtue of time here. And this is the

30th anniversary of Jimmy's first day here at catholic answers. Jimmy, welcome back.

Yeah. Thank you. I'm not only the senior apologist. I'm the senior employee.

You are the senior employee. That is so wild. And this place has had some long term employees,

too. It's not like people come here and just flip back out again, but you're the champ

now. You are the champ, my friend, and we'll keep on fighting till the end.

Well, we are, we are the champion. I think, thank you for giving us, including us all

in that internet open forum. A whole bunch of questions for Jimmy. And this one comes

from John. What's a good response to someone who insists that believers don't need a hierarchy?

Well, I'd say a few things. One is he doesn't understand human nature. Human spontaneously

form hierarchies. It is a human universal hierarchies appear in every culture, everywhere

in the world, in all of human history. Virtually all organizations, large and small, have hierarchies,

whether it's a little club that's purely voluntary or a major nation. It's got a high,

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