Hello, and welcome to Cathergance's Live. I'm Psych Hill at your host, two hours today.

Two hours of about the most fun that can happen on radio. Two hours of flannel panel today,

flannel panel guests are here and ready to go. And if you haven't heard of the flannel panel before,

well, we put on flannel shirts and then we talk about the news of the world from a Catholic

perspective. And we've all got our flannel shirts on. I'm very impressed with us this time,

because there's usually somebody who forgot that they're supposed to wear a flannel shirt to

the flannel panel. Our guests, as always, first of all, Chris, Jack, president of Cathergance,

was Hello, Chris, Jack. I have a new flannel shirt. Jack will and got this for me for my birthday

in January. Does she really for the flannel panel? She did. She did. And it's from a really

expensive catalog that I can't afford. But actually, it was on clearance.

So you only have to forego one mortgage. My favorite. Our other guest, Joe Hesmire.

Hi, Joe Hesmire.

Thanks for remembering her. Does your wife also hate flannels? Did she buy you a shirt that she

dislikes and servers of the show? Okay. So no, actually, it's a little more nuanced than that.

She hated all the flannel shirts that I ordered. I see. In preparation or whatever, or to be a

member. Oh, so she's a nice shirt. Well, it's got like that. It's got like the in-see. That's

like a tailor's shirt. What do you call this? The two layers? I didn't know they made flannel in

Paris. This is that looks like Paris. I think we pronounce that paris. Joe Hesmire is a

podcaster. You should check out his podcast. It's called shameless popery. And you can find it

at shameless joe.com shameless joe.com. I listen to your podcast joe. It's good. No, thank you.

Yeah, no, you know, people listening might be saying, well, of course he listens. No, he does not

normally listen to podcasts. So this was a real compliment. He does listen to podcasts, but it'll

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