110. Building Leaderful Movements with Katie Eder & Guest Co-host Alice Garton
Outrage + Optimism: The Climate Podcast
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🗓️ 15 July 2021
⏱️ 61 minutes
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Summary
In a week that has seen record temperatures occurring throughout the Pacific Northwest of the United States and Canada, a major hurricane that hit Barbados - the first in 60 years - and one of the warmest winters on record down south in New Zealand, this episode looks at the urgent call to action coming from the younger generation. Their call for transformational change applies not only to climate action, but in delivering meaningful social justice action and revaluating and redefining the very notion of leadership itself.
Our special guest this week is Katie Eder, Climate Organizer at Future Coalition. She eloquently describes for us the foundational goal of equity that is at the heart of the youth movement. and how she believes transformational change begins with ‘a leaderful movement’, and is the way to securing climate and social justice goals. Spoiler Alert: This is the secret to the success of the Paris Agreement.
Paul is joined this week by guest co-host, Alice Garton, Legal Director for the Foundation for International Law for the Environment. Alice talks through some climate optimism in regards to recent Australian judicial rulings, as well as an optimistic take on the recent Royal Dutch Shell ruling in the Netherlands.
And later on in the episode, join us for a great acoustic performance of “The Woman Who Planted Trees” by Emily Barker.
Thanks for joining us!
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Links mentioned in the episode:
Read: Reason, Rationality and Fiduciary Duty by Steve Lydenberg
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Thank you to our guest this week, Katie Eder!
Katie Eder
Climate Organizer, Future Coalition
Future Coalition
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Our artist this week is Emily Barker!
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Check out her latest EP, “Machine”
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Thank you to our Guest Co-host, Alice Garton!
Alice Garton
Director Global Legal Strategy, FILE
FILE Foundation
Facts and figures on climate litigation:
LSE Grantham Global Trends on on Climate Litigation 2021
Links for lawyers and law students looking to use the law to progress the climate transition:
Law Students for Climate Accountability
Links for citizens looking to participate in climate litigation:
Urgenda Global Climate Litigation
Holding Your Government’s Accountable for Climate Change
Australian SHARMA case:
Fiduciary Duty:
Primer on Climate Change: Directors Duties
ACCR commentary on Shell Transition Plan
What citizens Can Do:
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| 0:00.0 | Hello and welcome to Outrage and Optimism. I'm Paul Dickinson, flying solo whilst Tom |
| 0:17.4 | and Cristiana are both away. And joining me today is a very special guest, Alice Carth, |
| 0:22.2 | legal director for the Foundation for International Law for the Environment. Alice, say hello. |
| 0:28.0 | Hello Paul, it's lovely to be here. Thank you for the invitation. |
| 0:31.0 | This week's in-depth interview was recorded with Katie Eder, whose climate organizer for the future coalition |
| 0:38.0 | and she'll talk us through the foundational goal of equity that is the heart of the youth movement. |
| 0:42.0 | And we'll be taking advantage of Alice expertise to help us unpick some of the wider implications for environmental |
| 0:49.0 | and social justice following recent developments in the courts. |
| 0:52.0 | And we have music from Emily Barker, who is incredibly famous writing music for films. |
| 0:57.0 | Thanks for being here. |
| 1:07.0 | Okay, Alice, can you tell us a little bit more really about what the file foundation does? What is your work? |
| 1:13.0 | So we're a foundation. We specialize in supporting public interest lawyers who act for affected communities |
| 1:20.0 | to try and achieve racial, social and environmental justice through the courts. |
| 1:26.0 | And prior to file, I was at Client Earth for a number of years, heading the climate programme. |
| 1:31.0 | We love Client Earth. We had James Thornton. |
| 1:35.0 | We had James Thornton on the show. I listened to that one. |
| 1:38.0 | And Client Earth is super cool. Well, that's great. And you're a lawyer by like you grew up, |
| 1:43.0 | sort of like, interrupting the judge and saying your honour and cross-examining and objection and all that kind of thing. |
| 1:49.0 | Sort of. We don't all do that. |
| 1:52.0 | But I did work in commercial litigation. So I actually worked as a private practice lawyer looking at company law and fiduciary law. |
| 1:59.0 | And so what I'm doing now is thinking about the intersection of those laws with climate change. |
| 2:05.0 | Well, I mean, that is super interesting. And I find sort of cast my mind back to when I was at school years ago. |
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