This is the top entrepreneurs podcast where founders share how they started their companies and got

filthy rich or crash and burn. Each episode features revenue numbers, customer counts, and other

insider information that creates business news headlines. We went from a couple hundred thousand dollars to 2.7 million.

I had no money when I started the company.

It was $160 million, which is the size of any IPOs.

We're a bit strapped.

We have like 22,000 customers.

With over 5 million downloads in a very short amount of time,

major outlets like Inc are calling us the fastest-growing business show on iTunes.

I'm your host, Nathan Latka, and here's today's episode.

Hello, everyone, my guest today is Brandon Kelly.

He's the head honcho at Kraft CMS, the world's least worst content

management system. He lives in outdoorsy, Bend, Oregon, despite his preference to be hunched over

computer, and he'd rather not learn the definition of a millennial out of fear that he is one.

Brandon, are you ready to take us to the top?

Ready when you are.

All right, so wait, are you a millennial? How old are you?

I don't know 32

who knows who knows what the title is but tell us about pixel and tonic

what's the business doing how do you make money

yeah so we make a condom management system called craft CMS

we sell it to web agencies that tend to use it to buy

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