The first victim I came across was this young girl, probably like around eight years old, seven years old.

And the blood in the... it just was horrific.

You call it sanity. I mean, they don't have human empathy.

Hello, and welcome to Best Case Worse Case. This is Jim Clemente Retired FBI Profile of

Forming the XC Prescutor and writer producer on CBS's Criminal Minds. And with me today in the

studio is... Hi everybody, it's Francie Hakes, former state and federal prosecutor. Jim, we are back in

the studio and I admit it, I'm fangirling out because we still have with us our very special

guest. Tony Denison.

Actor. Tony Denison.

Actor, formerly Ray Luca, who was how I first was introduced to Tony Denison and really just blown away

by not only your acting ability and the stories from crime story back in the day and Michael Mann,

you know, this characteristic neon and music and everything was just very compelling about that

series and any of our listeners who haven't seen it, you should go out and find it because it's

really an amazing series. It went on for how many years? Two years. Two, I thought it was... it was

only two. Less than it shows on the... 86 to 88. Well, 86 to 87 and 88. It wasn't three seasons.

No, two years, two full years. So four seasons when you think about it, they used to use to

split up a year and two seasons. It was the full season and then the spring season.

Right. So yeah, so it was four seasons between 1986 and 88 and it happened to be exactly when I

applied to the FBI and when I was working in the FBI when I was first working in the FBI that this

series came out and I thought it was an amazing series. Well, it was. And of course, as our listeners

know, Jim has a lot of admiration for the character you played who was a murderous killer. Me, on the

other hand, I like you as the detective. Well, thank you very much. I like playing that the

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