So I'm really excited about this because I've been reading Dan Barker's material and listening to his debates for years now, so I'm really excited to have Reverend Barker on the show.

Yeah, in fact, he is such a big fan boy of Dan Barker that I've seen him take the books

to the shower with him.

It's kind of a little bit of an odd situation a little creepy yeah just a

little bit that I'm all wet what was that omni aqueous aqueous yeah

omniacous yeah see latin actually Equius. Yeah, I'm the a meekus. Yeah, see, Leighton actually, do you do this to your friends, Dan?

I loaned a book to Leighton of yours called Losing Faith and Faith and he liked it so much he's never given

it back to me what a douche bag well we now believers have no morals

that's true we don't get our morals for God so

so Dan how do you like to be addressed? You like to be addressed as Mr. Barker,

Reverend, Dr. What? Yeah, the Supreme ruler of the universe is taken already.

Son of God.

I'm sorry I filed for that.

I didn't know you were after it too.

So I'll go with the name my parents gave me, and that's Dan.

All right, we'll talk to you, well, we'll refer to you as Dan. Let's see I've read

Losing Faith in Faith. I've listened to your debates. I actually purchased in

Red Godless, which is a great update to losing faith and faith and in that you talk about your

first year your conversion experience you were raised Christian right but not

converted until you're what 15? Yeah yeah I was 15 when I accepted Christ as my Savior and a little bit later that year when I accepted the call to the ministry.

Of course I have to put those words in quotes now, but you know what I mean.

Right.

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