108: It’s a Wonderful Movie—Mary Owen and Karolyn Grimes

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🗓️ 25 December 2018

⏱️ 46 minutes

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Summary

This episode debuted exactly a year ago, and I could think of no better show this year to honor my all-time favorite movie, Frank Capra’s It’s a Wonderful Life (1947) through the eyes of two women with close ties to its creation.

If Mr. Capra didn't write it, why do I call it “Frank Capra’s It’s a Wonderful Life? It's because that’s how the movie was marketed, which helps explain why the film got only a so-so reception when it was first released. Most of Mr. Capra’s pre-World War II movies were so sweet-hearted that they later earned the moniker “Capracorn,” not meant as a compliment.

It’s a Wonderful Life is one of the most critically acclaimed films ever made. Nominated for five Academy Awards including Best Picture, recognized by the American Film Institute as one of the 100 best American films ever made, and placed number 11 on its initial 1998 greatest movie list, it also ranked number one on its list of the most inspirational American films of all time.

Think about that. In light of the fact that hundreds of thousands of movies have been made, this is a jaw-dropping achievement.

By the end of the Second World War, though, the mood of the movie-going public had shifted, as I wrote about the making of the movie in National Review a few years ago HERE.

The next day after it was published, an appreciative email from a woman named Mary Owen arrived in my inbox. Turns out, Mary is the daughter of actress Donna Reed, who played Mary Bailey, the wife of James Stewart’s George Bailey.

I thanked her for the lovely email and we had a few back-and-forths. After my podcast was up on two feet and spreading around the world (110 countries and counting), I thought it would be fun to have her on the show to talk about her mother’s role in this now-international favorite Christmas movie and to learn some back story to her mother’s career and her commitment to writing back to the G.I’s who wrote to her from the trenches and the gun turrets of World War II.

The interview segues nicely into the next one, a rich conversation with actress Karolyn Grimes who played Zuzu, one of the four Bailey kids. Remember Zuzu’s petals? This was a real treat for me who loves the movie so well, and I know it will be for you as well.

I learned, among other things, how much Mrs. Grimes suffered as a teen when her mother died and then the next year her father was killed and she became a ward of the state—then “rescued” by an aunt and uncle in Missouri, which was an unhappy home situation. Karolyn also played Debbie, the daughter of David Niven and Loretta Young in another Christmas favorite, The Bishop’s Wife.

For those of us who can’t gobble up enough trivia and true stories about It’s a Wonderful Life, Mrs. Grimes is a treasure trove of first hand memories and insights! Yes, I was star-struck, okay? Is that so wrong?

In this episode you will learn

How Donna Reed’s work represents the best of the Golden Age of television and movies
Why she made sure she was “just a regular mom” with Mary and her other real-life children
The story of how Reed’s children found a shoebox full of correspondence with American soldiers from the War in her Bel Air home 65 years later
Why Owens thinks the movie that made her mother a household name has such enduring appeal
Who is the oldest living cast member (hint: it’s not one of the child actors)
What it was like to be on set with Frank Capra and to appear with Jimmy Stewart
The ways in which It’s a Wonderful Life touched the lives of the cast and crew forever.

Resources mentioned in this episode

Blu-Ray of It’s a Wonderful Life

Blu-Ray of The Bishop’s Wife

It’s a Wonderful Life Book edited by Jeanine Basinger

Additional resources

It’s a Wonderful Life: A Memory Book by Stephen Cox.

The Essential It’s a Wonderful Life: A Scene-by-Scene Guide to the Classic Film by Michael Willian

The Name Above the Title: An Autobiography by Frank Capra

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0:00.0	Welcome to episode 108 of the Patrick Coffin Show.
0:03.0	Welcome to this special Christmas edition of the Patrick Coffin Show.
0:08.0	Two amazing guests and I never thought this would come together and I'm so happy to introduce to you Mary
0:13.3	Owen and Carolyn Grimes. Mary Owen is the real life daughter of actress Donna
0:17.8	Reed who played Mary Bailey, the wife of Jimmy Stewart in It's a Wonderful Life.
0:21.3	I connected with Mary through the internet. She
0:25.0	emailed me out of the blue in response to an essay I wrote a National Review about
0:29.2	the making of It's a Wonderful Life called the Little Story that Did. You can see the show notes about that in a link at patro coffin.media.
0:37.6	And not only the real life daughter of actress Donna Reed and her impact on the Golden Age of
0:41.9	Hollywood, but actress Carolyn Grimes joins me today.
0:45.2	Carolyn played Zuzu, Jimmy Stewart and Donna Reed's daughter in the film.
0:51.2	It's a Wonderful Life. Her signature line really summarizes the film.
0:56.3	So I now present Mary Owen and Carolyn Grimes on this special edition of the Patrick Coffin show.
1:02.8	I hope it's listened to each year
1:04.9	because there's just a ton of golden content
1:07.3	I know you will enjoy.
1:08.8	Without further ado, the show,
1:11.6	two daughters, one fictional, one real, of actress Donna Reed.
1:16.0	Warning, a following podcast contains ideas and arguments that might challenge your worldview.
1:21.0	I don't know what the Patrick Coffin show is. I don't know what it wants. If it's
1:27.7	looking for ransom, I don't have any money.
1:31.3	True or false. You're tired of secularist bullies punching your values in the face.
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