108: Encore Presentation: This is How They Tell Me the World Ends with Nicole Perlroth
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🗓️ 17 February 2022
⏱️ 53 minutes
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This episode was originally released on July 9, 2021. In this encore presentation, host Reed Galen is joined by New York Times Cybersecurity Reporter and Author of This is How They Tell Me the World Ends, Nicole Perlroth. They discuss the current state of our nation’s cybersecurity, the evolution and use of “zero-days”, and the disinformation-free truth about election security.
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| 0:42.6 | Welcome back to the Lincoln Project. I'm your host, Reed Gaillan. Today I'm joined by Nicole |
| 0:47.9 | Pearl Roth, author of the book. This is how they tell me the world ends, the cyber weapons arms race. |
| 0:52.8 | In addition to our book, Nicole's an award-winning cybersecurity journalist for the New York Times, |
| 0:58.0 | where her work has been optioned for both film and television. Before joining the times, |
| 1:02.2 | she was deputy editor at Forbes, where she covered venture capital and web startups. Plus, |
| 1:07.2 | she's a regular lecturer at the Stanford Graduate School of Business and a graduate of Princeton |
| 1:12.0 | and Stanford University, which makes guys like me and Rob who are state school MOOCs feel just about |
| 1:18.0 | where we probably should be. So Nicole, welcome to the show. Thanks for having me, Reed. |
| 1:23.8 | So, you know, I want to talk about the article that you and David Sanger had in the times |
| 1:28.5 | earlier this week because it pretty much lays out everything we've seen in the last few months. |
| 1:33.9 | But first, I want to talk about the book. This is how they tell me the world ends. This book scared |
| 1:39.3 | the hell out of me. And I hope that's what you were trying to do because it worked. In fact, |
| 1:44.0 | Rob told me before the show that there was at least one bookstore that put it in the wrong place |
| 1:48.4 | to put it in the horror section, which, you know, depending on your definition of horror, I think it |
| 1:54.8 | certainly belongs in. But you've been working for the times in this regard for a number of years. |
| 2:01.0 | Talk to us about how you decided to finally put this book together. Was there anything about |
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