1071: Secret Podcast: The Podcast Wars
The Next Level
The Bulwark
4.8 • 3.2K Ratings
🗓️ 11 April 2026
⏱️ 27 minutes
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Summary
JVL and Sarah discuss the failed ceasefire, Melania’s bizarre Epstein pre-denial, and the growing rift between Trump and "America First" heavyweights like Tucker, Megyn, Candace, and Alex Jones. Is this just another performative feud, or the start of something real? And as AI muddies reality itself, what happens when nobody believes anything anymore?
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| 0:00.0 | Hello, everyone. This is JVL here with my best friend, Sarah Longwell, publisher of the bulwark. |
| 0:09.6 | One of us is still doing a bedhead episode. One of us looks like a grown up. |
| 0:14.8 | Which is which? I would just like to say for the community. |
| 0:19.6 | Yes. I see when the people out there throw shade at me. |
| 0:23.6 | I had my friend, Ed Condon, on Bulwark Takes yesterday, and we talked about the Pentagon |
| 0:30.2 | pulling in Vatican diplomat and reading him the riot act and threatening to replace the |
| 0:35.7 | Pope and all that. |
| 0:37.3 | And, you know, |
| 0:38.0 | I like to engage with the community. Sure. And one of our members commented how nice it was to |
| 0:46.3 | see somebody without a baseball cap wearing a shirt with a collar in front of books looking |
| 0:52.6 | like a serious grown-up well-groomed. I see you. I know what you're doing. |
| 0:58.4 | Do you think that's just at you or do you think that's all of us? I'm pretty sure it's just at me. |
| 1:02.3 | Yes. I am pretty sure that's exactly what that was. Okay. Anyway, before we start, can I, can I just a little something self-serving? |
| 1:14.0 | I don't know if you saw this, but we have a new item in the merch store. |
| 1:17.6 | And I am so pleased with this. |
| 1:21.3 | So pleased with this. |
| 1:22.3 | The voice of darkness has a posse. |
| 1:23.8 | Hot takes. |
| 1:24.4 | Do you remember? |
| 1:24.9 | What does that say? |
| 1:26.8 | Unimportant. |
| 1:27.7 | It is, do you remember the shepherd fairyard Ferry, Andre the Giant has a posse campaign? |
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