I'm not pulling on my driveway. We all know what that means. It's time for another drive to work at home edition.

So for Wiles at Eldrain, we've talked vision design. We've talked set design. It's time for play design.

So I've Benjamin White's with me today, who was on the play design team. Hi, Ben.

I'm good. How are you, Mark? I'm doing good. So, let's talk play design. So,

let's set the scene. So when do you guys start? When does play design start first at? Like,

like, the Wallets of Eldrain as our example. Um, so play design starts at set design. It's like

the final time where the text of the cards changes a lot um you know there's

like post-production stuff after that but this is basically where design ends um and we do all the like

finals numbers changes so like oh should this creature be a three three or should it be a three two

you know how much mana should this card cost?

Are these cards working well together?

You know, make sure not too many cards cost the same amount of mana so that you get a nice

little curve when you build your deck, that sort of stuff.

Okay, so let's, I'm going to get very Wiles of Eldren specific.

So you're handed Wildiles of Eldrain.

What were the main issues you had to solve?

So when sets rotate into play design, there's usually like two different kinds of cards that are in the file.

So some cards are like very prescriptive.

So they're play these cards with these other cards.

They form a package.

They form a deck.

In Wilds Veldrain, some examples are like the fairies package.

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