What's up everybody?

What's up, Randy Early Morning in Portland. Welcome to 10,

generally speaking, I'm Chris, your host. This week's guest is Phil Zuckerman,

a sociologist who wrote a book called Living the Secular Life, which is about the

growing movement. I don't know if you call it a movement, but certainly the

growing population, growing numbers of people in the United States who are

self-declared secularists, in other words not religious people, but who are

as ethical and moral and have some sort of structure guiding their behavior

toward decency in their lives even though there's no god, there's no overarching

authority figure in the sky watching them to make sure that they do the things

they're supposed to be doing. They just do them. Imagine that sort of a self-

organizing principle. If you enjoy this conversation with Phil, I hope you'll

take a look at his book. It's got fantastic reviews on Amazon. It's doing

really well. I think it's like four and a half stars or something and it's

selling quite well. So check it out. I haven't read the book. I don't think it was

published when we spoke or maybe it just came out, but I intend to. Unfortunately,

I'm at a time in my life now where I cannot read anything that isn't directly

pertaining to what I'm trying to write. So it's kind of a bummer. You know, you

know, the old adage is find something you love and you know and make it your

work and then you'll be happy all the time. But what often happens is you find

something you love, you make it your work and then that sort of drains some of

the fun out of it actually because you know, now you can't do it for pleasure.

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