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the Hello and welcome to another episode of Politics Theory Other, a podcast from Tribune magazine.

My name is Alex Doherty and my guest today is Andreas Malm. We talked about his new book, How to Blow Up a Pipeline.

We chatted about why the climate movement is so fiercely committed to nonviolence, even to the point of opposing destruction of property,

how that hinders climate activism, and how the advocates of non-violence edit the history of popular struggles and liberation movements in order to downplay the importance of the more militant wings of those struggles.

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Andreas Marm is a scholar of human ecology and the author of The Progress of This Storm and of Fossil Capital, which won the Isaac and Tamara Deutsche Memorial Prize.

His other books include White Skin Black Fuel and Corona Climate Emergency, which we talked about in episode 91.

So in the book, you write about how the climate movement, with

vanishingly few exceptions, has generally resisted the use of deploying physical force to

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