1069: Secret Podcast: Every Single Person Around Trump Is Expendable
The Next Level
The Bulwark
4.8 • 3.2K Ratings
🗓️ 3 April 2026
⏱️ 36 minutes
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Summary
JVL and Sarah discuss Trump’s rambling, unfocused address that failed to clarify any of the war’s goals, even as evidence mounts that the situation is getting worse. They also talk about the Bondi firing, why it may have been timed to shift attention, and what it says about how this White House handles bad news.
Plus: rising oil prices, market jitters, and new warning signs from voters who are starting to turn against Trump.
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| 1:23.0 | computers on that taro. We made a pact. We made a pact that we would do a bedhead episode |
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| 1:43.8 | I got to say, you never do makeup and you don't have that much hair. And so like the difference between you as a bedhead and me as a bedhead seems not as dramatic. I feel like I'm getting the worse end of this. |
| 1:56.4 | I hear what you're saying. On the other hand, I need to start doing a little bit of makeup for these things just to like take the shine off my dome. |
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