1066: How Much Pain Before MAGA Turns on Trump?
The Next Level
The Bulwark
4.8 • 3.2K Ratings
🗓️ 24 March 2026
⏱️ 68 minutes
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Summary
Tim Miller, JVL and Sam Stein (filling in for Sarah) discuss Trump’s shambolic approach to the Iran war—no clear objective, mixed signals, and rising economic fallout. As gas prices climb and markets wobble, they ask whether the political damage has already begun, even if the polls haven’t fully caught up.
Plus: signs of a potential MAGA fracture, ICE at airports, a look inside the grift behind Project 2025, and a disturbing interview with Greg Bovino.
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| 0:00.0 | Captain. |
| 0:00.6 | I'm the captain. |
| 0:01.7 | I am the captain. |
| 0:02.6 | Who's the captain now? |
| 0:10.6 | Hello, everyone. |
| 0:11.8 | This is J.V.L. |
| 0:13.0 | Here is one of my best friends, Tim Miller, and, like, very good friend. |
| 0:18.4 | Same Stein. |
| 0:19.0 | Very good friend. |
| 0:20.4 | That's an upgrade. Upgrade from colleague. It was a, it started as acquaintance. Colle. We've got to colleague. Yeah. I just feel like we're getting closer every, every day that goes by. So Sarah is out today. She is doing more work on her book, which I know pleases Tim, a very great deal. |
| 0:37.6 | It's just unbelievable. |
| 0:54.4 | Why is it unbelievable? People got mad at me. They thought there's some chatter on this in the comments in the next level a couple weeks ago. So I do just want to come clean. There's some people are upset because they thought that I was negging Sarah, that there is professional jealousy at play. Not being supportive. because we're not being supportive, |
| 0:56.4 | because they're joking about how I didn't want to write the book. |
| 1:11.5 | And the truth is, number one, me and Sarah, love each other. And we demonstrate our love via playful teasing. So you don't have to worry about us. We go back a long way. That's interesting. I demonstrate my love for people by giving them gifts. I know. Well, so it's different. We're all built different. |
| 1:16.4 | And she knew me when I wore fake glasses and was heterosexual. So, you know, me and Sarah have been through some bumps. And the other thing is I did want to write the book because |
| 1:21.4 | it's fucking annoying to write books. And I knew, and we have a growing enterprise that's |
| 1:25.7 | very valuable to all of you, the listeners. I wanted Sarah's total focus on that. And I knew, and we have a growing enterprise here that's very valuable to all of you, the listeners. |
| 1:30.5 | I wanted Sarah's total focus on that. |
| 1:32.2 | And I wanted her to help. |
| 1:39.6 | And what we have found is that she was able to somehow manage to steer the ship and help it grow with the help of Sam and JVL mostly. |
| 1:43.5 | Well, you know, I just blab and write the book. |
| 1:48.9 | And yet, there are still moments where I think that my original point is validated, such as right now where we have to suffer Sam's company. |
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