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The Next Level

1063: Secret Podcast: Would You Trust These Idiots With a War?

The Next Level

The Bulwark

Politics, News, News Commentary

4.83.2K Ratings

🗓️ 13 March 2026

⏱️ 29 minutes

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Summary

Sarah Longwell and JVL talk about what happens if Trump doesn't TACO and pull the plug on the Iran war excursion after things go from messy to bad. Not great!

Also: What happens if we know how to reform the system, but the system is so ossified that it can't be reformed? And are The People, in fact, the worst?

Pre-order Sarah's book, How to Eat an Elephant, coming in September
https://static.macmillan.com/static/smp/how-to-eat-an-elephant-9781250464170/

Transcript

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0:00.0

Hello, everyone. This is JVL here in my shirt with my best friend, Sarah Longwell of the bulwark.

0:08.4

Sarah, this is one of the different, one of the eight shirts that I have, the, the mammoth,

0:14.1

Eigerjock, long sleeve, energy XL, or whatever the hell they call it. I do like Mammett.

0:19.5

Mammett makes really nice stuff.

0:39.8

But as I will just reiterate for the people on Reddit who did not believe me, I do have a whole drawer of these. This is all he wears. Well, during fall and winter. And two days ago, when it was 83 degrees up in the New York metro area, I was wearing my other shirt. Black T-shirt? My short sleeve shirt from the,

0:40.4

anyway,

0:40.8

unimportant.

0:39.8

We'll get to that. degrees up in the New York metro area. I was wearing my other shirt, my short sleeves, my short sleeve shirt from the,

0:40.8

anyway, unimportant.

0:42.5

We'll get to that when the weather changes for real.

0:49.6

Sarah, would you like to open by saying something to the people?

0:53.4

I've got two things to say, just out of the gate here. One is my book is like already a bestseller on Amazon. Not enough of a bestseller, though, I'll tell you to get you the JVL focus group. We've still got a little ways to go. But as books go and pre-orders go, this community, the way that it shows up, is just out of control.

1:13.3

Not out of control in a bad way.

1:14.6

Out of control in like the best possible way.

1:17.5

And I can't thank people enough.

1:20.5

I really tried hard to get through all the comments on the secret pod.

1:25.1

But at some point it was like getting away from me and we were.

1:28.3

And so I just, I want to say like from the bottom of my heart, how much I appreciate the

1:34.1

way that people in this community show up.

1:37.4

And for people who, even if you only ordered the book with no intention of reading it,

1:43.0

but just because you're desperate for JVL

1:44.9

to moderate a focus group. That's okay. That's okay. I appreciate that. Anyway, and to answer

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