Hello everyone. I am JVL here with my best friends, Sarah Longwell, bestselling author, and Tim Miller, also a bestselling author from The Bullwark.

We are going live today and to give you guys a peek behind the curtain. We're going live because I was afraid that we would tape a show and then between when we taped it and it cut out that the war would be over.

And so I feared we could avoid that by just doing the show live. And this way, if the war ends in the middle of the show, somebody presumably will let us know. I don't think that's going to happen, but we'll talk about that. I think it's unlikely to happen. Yeah. But you never know. So, I mean you and I were, you and I were talking about this before the show. Nobody really cares about the war in America, which I find a little

distressing. I don't care for it, but that's where we are. And, but we're going to open this

show with war talk because it's important.

We're going to force feed you guys. Sarah, do you disagree? I think people care about the war.

Just maybe not at the levels I would have expected. That's what I was saying. I was not doing

the max list of JVL. Nobody cares. I was saying that it's been a little surprising to me, like that the level of backlash, there's been backlash, but I don't, to me, it's just, it's crazy. And I would have expected a little more.

Okay. There's a reason, I think, that this is, first of all, I do dispute the idea that people don't care

they do care they also don't know what's going on and I think that part of what

has been difficult about Iran and I just ran into this I was taping a focus group we

have a bunch of people making statements about Iran like I have a bunch of focus

group sound from Iran but I also pre-taped with Bill and I'm dropping it group, we have a bunch of people making statements about Iran. Like, I have a bunch of focus group,

sound from Iran, but I also pre-taped with Bill and I'm dropping it early because I was like,

events can overtake us on this. Not so much that I think it'll be over, but that you end up talking

about things in the context of what you know so far and that we get more

information as we go. Even part of that information is just if in a week we are still doing Iran,

that is new information, right? Because Trump, right in this moment, is trying to, whether it is

manipulate the markets or manipulate the American people,

Trump is, seems to me, to be deliberately trying to make sure that there is no, that the trappings of war,

the oval office speeches, um, the going to Congress, the things that make war real for Americans, he's trying not to do those

things. Even calling at war. And sometimes like they're vacillating in and out. It's like J.V. J.D. Vance

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