My guest today, Kevin Kelly, is the co-founder of Wired Magazine, a best-selling author and a

futurist. He had the good fortune to stumble out of the internet when it was just getting

started and he had the foresight to understand it was going to change everything.

I said, there's something important happening here. For the first time, here's technology

that seems more human scale. It seems more organic. It seems lifelike in some weird

way. Welcome to People I Am Mostly Admire with Steve Levin.

What I find most remarkable about Kevin Kelly is his endless curiosity, which has allowed

him to keep his finger on the pulse of fast-changing technology for four decades. My hope today

is both to get a sense of how we got to where we are today technology wise and especially

to hear where he thinks we're going with innovations like artificial intelligence.

I have a friend named John List and he's a prominent economist who has the misfortune of

sharing his name with a mass murderer. When you Google him, the first John List you see

is not him. Instead, you see the mass murderer. I had the opposite experience with you. When

I was trying to prepare for today's conversation, I went first to Amazon.com and I typed in

Kevin Kelly books. A bunch of books on technology showed up, which I figured would probably

you from everything I know about you. Then there are other sorts of other books about photography

of Asia and a graphic novel and a book of advice. I thought, God, this is frustrating. When

someone's got such a common name that there are a bunch of Kevin Kelly's who are all authors.

Slowly and disbelievingly came to realize that the same Kevin Kelly you had written all

of these different books and I have to say, damn, you have really lived a full life.

I have. I've been very, very blessed. One could say that I'm very good at doing lots of little

things and I have sort of refused to go too far deep in one direction. So that's a curse of a

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